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small bank uptown would fit him to say that 60 per cent. of the out of town checks are on the so-called discretionary points? A. Yes; he is a student of banking. Q. Did you make this statement just now because you thought the facts printed In The World would hurt the Clearing House? A. No. I don't think the Clearing House can be hurt. Mr. Untermeyer raised his eyebrows. "You don't think," he asked, "that It is in the power of any one to hurt the Clearing House?" "Not by the statements published," replied Mr. Sherer. Q. But do you say that if this Clearing Mouse is levying an excessive and outrageous tribute upon the American people that the law cannot stop it-that the law cannot forbid such oppression and injustice? A. on, yes, if it is oppressive and unjust. Q. Have you talked with any member of the Clearing House Committee since you testified yesterday? A. With Mr. Vanderlip. Q. He was very much disturbed, was he not, and wanted you to "correct" what he considered a most unfortunate admission? A. No. but he suggested that I have it revised. I had made up my mind to do that anyway. ASKS ABOUT MORAL ASPECT OF THE RULE. Mr. Untermyer wanted to know how Mr. Sherer regarded the legal and moral aspects of the Clearing House banks being bound by the minimum collection charges rule. "What better right have the banks to do this than for manufacturers to get together and fix a price for their products?" asked Mr. Untermyer. "Well," said Mr. Sherer, "the charge is for a service. Carpenters, plumbers, and others have a moral as well as legal right to organize and fix a minimum price for their services. Any class rendering a service has that right." There was a laugh as Mr. Untermyer exclaimed: "Oh, then you want to pass under the labor union rule?" Q. What greater right have the banks to do what they are doing then railroads would have to fix a minimum charge for their services? A. The railroad has the grant of eminent domain -can run right through my home If It sees fit. It lays Its tracks over several States. It has privileges granted to It by the public and owes the public certain duties in return. Q. Are they not under the control of the national Government? A. But in very different ways. 1 Q. Both are engaged in interstate commerce? A. I could not say that. Q. Both are instruments of Interstate commerce? A. Yes. Mr. Sherer was questioned at length about the Clearing House certificates issued during the 1907 panic. He said the total was $101,060,000. In an effort to show how the withdrawal of Clearing House support could close the doors of a bank, Mr. Untermyer displayed a copy of a letter sent to four banks late in January, 1908, requiring them to withdraw their Clearing House "panic" certificates by Feb. 6 following. The four banks were the Oriental, the Mechanics and Traders, the National of North America and the New Amsterdam.